I am a part of an email group made up of mothers of many young children and have been for many years. It’s a Christian group and, for the most part, fairly conservative–at least, the vocal ones are. Since I have five young children, a resource like this group can be nice, even though five kids is a fairly small family there. Usually, life with my “small” family keeps me too busy to even bother to read through the email digest, but every so often I will, and, once in a while, I will write a post to send in.
Recently, this group was talking about how adult children, especially daughters, are Biblically commanded to stay home until and/or if they become married. Mothers were being encouraged to train their daughters that way, etc, and to beware the dangerous world of feminism. So I wrote a post of polite dissent, using many passages of Scripture to explain my position and mentioning some of the many women in Scripture who did not “home-keep,” such as the women who travelled with Jesus, or Phoebe, who Paul had deliver the letter to the Romans.
Many women emailed me to tell me thank you, to let me know that the group has many who are not ultra-conservative and that it’s nice to hear dissenting voices. But one woman emailed me more than a few times, letting me know, in that lovely “righteous anger” that we Christians can use so well, that because I disagreed with her position, I was obviously not a student of God’s Word, was relativistic, my words were poisonous and she wouldn’t read them (though she must have read enough to let me know how horrifically wrong I was), and that I obviously didn’t believe Scripture at all.
She closed her final letters, of course, by letting me know she’d be praying for me (you know, that warm “Christian” way of sticking a knife in your rib) and, well, that was that.
What bothered me was the complete lack of logic employed in her responses. She couldn’t hear anything I said—and, for that matter, didn’t appear to be trying to. She’d formed her interpretational grid and it was water-tight. Not only was it infallible, but it had to be protected: it was dangerous to even listen to any other arguments. She wrote claiming she wanted conversation and asking me to answer a few questions, but it turned out conversation was the last thing we had. People can’t have a conversation when one side has their fingers in their ears and then, despite the fact that they openly tell you they will not listen to the answers you gave to their questions, proceed to tell you exactly what you think and why, resorting to personal jabs while doing so.
Urgh. It got me thinking about how dumb we all can be. I was on the receiving end of a wildly whacking combatant (though I didn’t even want a fight!), and yet I can think of many times when I did the exact same thing. Did it for God, no less! That was back when my theology was something I had to protect against any dissenting opinions, back when my beliefs about gender were part and parcel with the Gospel, back when I thought our normal/resting position was to be ready to fight instead of ready to embrace.
Good grief. I hope I have matured and I hope I will continue to do so (by the sheer grace of our holy God). I admit, I had the urge to take a stick and whop this particular writer a few times. She said some vicious things about my heart, making huge assumptions about what I must be like all because I did not agree with her. She employed no reasoning skills whatsoever. When it came to listening skills, it was like talking to a stump. And she was so mean! I at least wanted her to know how wrong she was for doing that.
But why? Because I care about what she thinks about me? I’d love to pretend like I was hurt and wounded but, uh, no. I don’t even know this woman. What do I care what she thinks? Do you want to know why I wanted her to know she was wrong in her approach? Mainly because I want to have the last word. I want to end the little flurry with the feeling of having thrown the last knife. Which means I’m no different from the attacker. Whether she was right or wrong, she violated what it means to walk in the Spirit by the way she treated me. And I did the exact same back to her.
So what is more important—to be “right” in intellectual belief, or to live rightly? When Jesus was dividing the sheep and the goats, He seemed to think that those who “got” the Gospel—those who showed it by serving the underdog’s of the world—were the ones who knew Him, not the ones who knew about Him. Ouch. Knowing about Him (and ramming that down dissenters throats) is a heck of a lot easier.
Sometimes things that the complementarian/patriarchy camp says make my stomach lurch. This isn’t their fault: it’s just where I’m at. I’ve had a really bad experience living in the C world. I came out with something akin to post-traumatic stress disorder, if that makes any sense. My health is just now pulling itself back together, slowly, in pieces. Sometimes I read a C statement and I want to fire out comments or posts—and do—from that place of adrenalin-fueled reactionary instinct, like a missile gun seeing an enemy and shooting accordingly.
But I am a Christian. Far higher than gender roles (or lack thereof) is the “role” given to all followers of Christ: we are called to walk by the Spirit, to live by the Spirit, to be taught by the Spirit. Like the womb of a fertile woman, I am designed to bear the Spirit’s fruit. Love. Joy. Peace. Patience. Kindness. Gentleness. Self-control. There is no law against such as these, because the world cannot ever have enough of such things.
But those things go against most of my natural inclinations. They must be born in me through Him, because this branch will naturally wither up on it’s own. Far higher than the law of my warring members, which want to stab and thrust and parry (or run and hide, or scoff and criticize, etc), is the Law of God, the Law that says Love sums up the law.
I must give the benefit of the doubt to those I am speaking with: that they love God as much as I do, that they have the right to interpret Scripture differently than I do, and that calling them names or assuming evil motives on their interpretational choices is sheer folly on my part. And sometimes, in order to help me do that, I must remember what it feels like to not be heard, to have assumptions made about my heart all because I disagree, to be put into a box and sealed up. It doesn’t feel good. It’s not what we were born to be. It’s not what I was born to do. Though I do it far too often. Conversation is only conversation in so far as two people are actually taking the time to listen to eachother. I know that I could stand to do a much better job of that.
Excellent post.
Words of wisdom! Thanks!
I just found your blog. Thanks for that post!
It’s so hard to have a conversation with someone who believes in the inerrancy of their particular brand of interpretation!
But it’s these conversations that help us grow in grace, as you said.
Thanks for that reminder.
By the way, I love the name of your blog! I was going to call my position “egalocomplementarian” but I like “complegalitarian” much better!
Molly,
Your post tickles me pink–How often do I resemble your remarks.
This was also incredibly timely, as just this past week I encountered the argument, “I’m right, your wrong, and even if I am wrong, well, you still are not right, because something is wrong with you, so nothing you say can be taken seriously.”
Guess what? What you described is exactly where my head went. . .gratefully, for the most part, I was able to avoid reacting negatively–for the most part, mind you.
In reflection, I realize at its heart, what made me want to fight back was this strange sense that I needed to be “right,” otherwise, the other person was “right” and God would love me less. I know BETTER THAN THIS! But, embarrassingly, I guess I forget more than I ever learn.
Now, I think, perhaps my friend’s behavior toward me might be coming from the same place. After all, we are both humans. Now, instead of hoping to “avoid” this person, I hope to see them so that I can be kind and support their worth, just as I support my own. A chance to heal.
Your post was an beautiful affirmation to me.
Molly, I totally agree with you and all the posts written. I do think that “being right” comes in the way of our “living right” . . . at least for me, and often! I think about a conversation I just concluded with a comp. She was one who chose (at least in this instance) to believe everything vile and awful about another believer, just to bolster her own doctrinal opinions. I finally had to bow out and realize, after reading your blog, Molly, that I could have bowed out more gracefully AND graciously. Oh well. Something to learn and use another day . . . Another “do-over!”
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Thank you for your example in this – it would be my desire to emulate you in displaying the fruits of the spirit in this way. I don’t always agree with my pastor in this area (though I respect him greatly) and I’ve learned over the last couple of years that the way I’ve disagreed with him has not always been wise and has tended toward the polarization of our conversation. I need to be more conscious of my calling to answer with gentleness and respect rather than insisting on the rectitude of my position at the cost of him knowing my sisterly affection and respect for him. I don’t have to agree with him to emphasize our shared status in God’s family and that might actually reinforce the points I’m trying to make.
She closed her final letters, of course, by letting me know she’d be praying for me (you know, that warm “Christian” way of sticking a knife in your rib)
How awful, her words like poison disguised as honey.
…disconnect between right belief and right action
I guess Jesus summed our right action up in Matthew 25.31-46; and To some who were confident of their own righteousness shared Luke 18:9-14.
I was reminded whilst reading your post, of these lyrics from Casting crowns:
People aren’t confused by the Gospel
They are confused by us
Jesus is the only way to God
But we are not the only way to Jesus
This world doesn’t need my tie, my hoodie,
My denomination or my translation of the Bible
They just need Jesus
We can be passionate about what we believe
But we can’t strap ourselves to the Gospel
Because we are slowing it down
Jesus is going to save the world
But maybe the best thing we can do
Is just get out of the way.
Glad I found this blog.
~Blessings.
She closed her final letters, of course, by letting me know she’d be praying for me (you know, that warm “Christian” way of sticking a knife in your rib)
How awful, her words like poison disguised as honey.
…disconnect between right belief and right action
I guess Jesus summed our right action up in Matthew 25.31-46; and To some who were confident of their own righteousness shared Luke 18:9-14.
I was reminded whilst reading your post, of these lyrics from Casting crowns:
People aren’t confused by the Gospel
They are confused by us
Jesus is the only way to God
But we are not the only way to Jesus
This world doesn’t need my tie, my hoodie,
My denomination or my translation of the Bible
They just need Jesus
We can be passionate about what we believe
But we can’t strap ourselves to the Gospel
Because we are slowing it down
Jesus is going to save the world
But maybe the best thing we can do
Is just get out of the way.
Glad I found this blog.
~Blessings.
I would like to say something else. Why did the Old Itala versions and the Latin Vulgate translate _authentein_ as _dominari_? This Greek word _authentein_ used in Paul’s prohibition against women having authority over men (1 Timothy 2:12) is the more informal and rustic version of a more formal and dignified Attic Greek word _autodikein_. This Greek word means to have jurisdiction .
We know that the concept of Authority has many non-equivalent meanings. The meaning that Paul is using is specifically that of governance and jurisdiction. This is supported by the Thayer Lexicon, which states authentein means to govern and/or exercise dominion over someone .
Jurisdiction can only be held by duly appointed men. The same is true for any headship role. God does not invest ALL men with authority over ALL women indiscriminately, but only to certain men He sees as duly qualified and comptent, and He delegates it according to the nature of the relationship and function in question, rather than any essential qualities of the sexuality of maleness.
George and Dora Winston have shown us in their book Recovering Biblical Ministry by Women that this is so, and by using INDUCTIVE BIBLE STUDY, have defeated the traditional complementarian conventional wisdom that the ESSENCE of MALENESS is to exercise JURISDICTION over females and the ESSENCE of FEMALENESS is to obey the jurisdiction of MALES.