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2. Support your claims with evidence
Say I am just really concerned about egals and odor, something I believe is important to address and discuss. What this guideline means to me is that I need to think twice before stating, “All egals smell funny.”
What would be better is something like,
“I’ve wondered if there is a correlation between egalitarians and bad odor, because I think it is a real problem, one I’ve run into a lot. So when I ran across this study [link], my concerns were validated. This study seems to say that many egals do smell bad, especially compared to comps. I find this concerning.”
Or perhaps I could also say,
“I’ve wondered about egals and odor for a long time. I now believe that egals do smell funny. This book ____, by popular egal author ___, says that egals like to smell funny. Here is the quote. “blah blah blah blah blah,” from page 34 of the book. I find this concerning.”
I could also support my claim this way:
“I’m concerned about a correlation this study ____ makes between egals and body odor. The main reason I am concerned is because the book of James says ____, and so does Malachi in chapter____. Later, when John writes about body odor in Revelation ___, he says the same thing. Yet egal author ___ says ________ on page four of his book _____, which seems to me to deny what the Bible says in those three places.”
These are some examples of how I can support a claim with evidence. Note that I don’t have to back up an opinion with evidence.
If I say, “I personally think that egals often tend to smell funny,” that is not a claim but an opinion. I don’t have to back it up with evidence, though I may want to watch how I share that opinion, if it’s going to cause offense, and I also may want to be prepared to explain why I have that opinion—especially when twelve nice-smelling egals married to twelve foul smelling comps read it and then ask me to please clarify. Whoops.
Opinions are okay—we all have them—but there are a few opinions, especially the kind that are highly offensive or extremely unsupported, are probably best shared elsewhere.
Saying authoritatively, “Egals smell funny and that’s just the truth,” is making a claim, and a claim really needs to be backed up with some sort of evidence, preferably including a link or a reference of some sort.
Speaking of referring to evidences, I’ve been taken to task once in the past for using a study as evidence which, as it turned out, later studies had proven false. Oops. I didn’t know that. I didn’t realize the study I’d quoted from was later discredited and I was glad others did and corrected it. In fact, I would have never known that the study was misleading if others hadn’t shared.
So it’s good to work as a team in the matter of evidence finding, because here is one thing comps and egals can agree on: we want the truth and we do not want to make claims that are based on false evidences. This is a way of saying that we’re in a learning growing process here, and all “evidences” may not be as valid as we think they are, or may need to be balanced with other evidences that appear to point to a different conclusion…and that is okay! We do the best we can.
Thankfully, we’re all on the same team and between all of us, we can help cull evidences that have been later proved incorrect and balance evidences that need balanced. No one study proves anything, just as no one quote proves anything, but together, we can be careful not to make claims unless we can back them up with something solid—or close to solid, as it were–and have some good discussion as we do so.
So now that I’ve shared some things that Number Two means to me, it’s your turn. What do you understand Number Two to mean?
“2. Support your claims with evidence
No one study proves anything, just as no one quote proves anything, but together, we can be careful not to make claims unless we can back them up with something solid—or close to solid, as it were–and have some good discussion as we do so.
So now that I’ve shared some things that Number Two means to me, it’s your turn. What do you understand Number Two to mean?”
Evidence does not necessarily provide solid conclusions/proof. So it is good to back up a claim with evidence, but bottom line, evidence isn’t good enough to safely come to conclusions about anything. Proof positive is what is necessary.
Someone cannot say that _______ is scriptural if they cannot prove it. To me that is fair.
I donno. I’m all for the bottom line of what scripture teaches on men and women and I hope that others here are interested too, comps and egals. I mean why do any of us bother with our beliefs if that’s all they are? So I believe that elephants can drive a bus. So what?
That’s my 2 cents.
Let’s back up our claims with evidence!
If I’m missing something, someone please help me out here.
We can talk about interpretations and opinions all day long. Fine. But what about scriptural boundaries?
Here’s an example:
Comps often say that the bible teaches roles for men and women. Okay, this is an opinion, since it cannot be proven. Well, what is the point, scripturaly speaking for saying that? It’s one of the most common things said by comps, yet it cannot be proven.
I don’t get it. And I can prove that the opinion, is one of the most common things said by comps, if anyone wishes for me to do so.
So what’s the point in saying that opinion over and over and over? What does an opinion have to do with actual biblical teachings and boundaries on men and women?
I’ll stop posting for the night.
Signing off *confused*
Pretty cute note about context in communication on the Kruse Kronicles.
http://krusekronicle.typepad.com/kruse_kronicle/2009/06/context-in-communication.html