Interesting article, published in Women in Judaism: A Multidisciplinary Journal, Vol 6, No 1 (2009):
Women as Leaders: Contemporary Perspectives on the Roles of Women in Messianic Judaism
Comments welcome here.
HT: Eric Weiss
Women as Leaders: Contemporary Perspectives on the Roles of Women in Messianic Judaism
September 15, 2009 by Wayne Leman
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I am really disappointed in Messianic Jews. Reading their opinions on women has lowered my respect for them.
Ah come on – someone comment besides me – PLEASE!
Here is my observation, many prots studying Hebraic roots derive equality while many MJ’s derive hierarchy.
My hypothesis is that the latter do not want to shake things up any MORE than that already are doing, so they “go with the evangelic majority” on everything they can to avoid more challenges than they otherwise would have. The more minority positions ANYONE assumes, the less one will find others like them. It is not that they are making a crude calculation, just that they already have enough challenges.
TALK – SOMEONE TALK BESIDES DON AND ME! PLLEAAASE!
I agree with JLP.
Somebody say something.
Is everybody on vacation?
It’s hard to lurk here when nobody is talking.
I suspect the reason Complegalitarian is on life support is that there is nothing more to say. That most, if not all, of the complementarians have left means there is no need or purpose for this blog or for further discussion at this time.
It seems that the Complementarian wind stopped filling all our sails at about the same time.
I suppose people could debate whether or not the above is true, but I’m not sure there would be enough persons that would want to spend enough writing time speculating about this so as to bring Complegalitarian back to its former contentious and captivating self.
I meant to write:
I suspect the reason Complegalitarian is on life support is that there is nothing more to say. That most, if not all, of the complementarians have left means there is no need or purpose for this blog or for further discussion at this time.
It seems that the Complegalitarian wind stopped filling all our sails at about the same time.
I suppose people could debate whether or not the above is true, but I’m not sure there would be enough persons that would want to spend enough writing time speculating about this so as to bring Complegalitarian back to its former contentious and captivating self.
NO! NO! Say it isn’t so!
I can only say I hope it isn’t so. And if everyone is talked out right now, maybe they will think of more to say later.
I’m not hoping it’s so, but just stating a possible reality.
To everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven (some wise person said that – I think it was Roger McGuinn
).
Anyway, maybe Complegalitarian had its season. That’s not to say that its season won’t return.
Turn, turn, turn…
New topic suggestion, perhaps? (Sorry, Eric. The article’s interesting and I’m still reading it.)
I haven’t seen this one before: Feminism makes women unhappy.
Here’s the article on CBMW: http://www.cbmw.org/Blog/Posts/NYT-Modern-Women-are-Unhappy
responding to this op-ed piece:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/opinion/20dowd.html?_r=1&em
Here’s a snippet:
Modern women would hugely benefit from returning to traditional roles. Their current state of unhappiness, as Dowd characterizes it, is a direct result of the influence of feminism. God did not give us roles as a kind of sexual prison; He gave them to us for our good and flourishing. If we reject this plan, coded into both our design and the Word of God, then we will surely suffer.
I’ve always got more to say. Life lassoed me right now tho. But I’ll be back.
JFUI …. my beloved animal kitty friend, J’aim, died. It was rough and he was young. Had a tumor in his lungs. I’ll be burying him today, I hope. Need some help digging up a grave. His son, Big Boy was a bit confused by it all but he’ll be OK.
as will I. But he is well missed.
Interesting article Joy. But you know anyone can spread any amount of logical sounding dogma when they don’t have to support it with Scripture.
Reading more of women’s history would hugely challenge the concept that traditional roles make women happier than having choices to enjoy and experience life like men do.
Reading more of women’s history would hugely challenge the concept that traditional roles make women happier than having choices to enjoy and experience life like men do.
That’s true, but studying women’s history is painful because it is so full of sexual, physical, economic and emotional abuse that these people will never read it.
I was thinking something similar JLP.
Just as recent as the 50’s, that are so applauded by traditionalists were rife with poor unhappy women trying to make the best of abusive marriages that they thought they could not get out of. Resigning yourself to a life contrary to what you really want to do because of what men might say or do, or public opinion contrary, is not true happiness. And this can be seen in writings of the time.