Ben Witherington writes on this topic which has been near and dear to his heart for many years:
Your responses to what he says are welcome here as comments.
Why Arguments against Women in Ministry Aren’t Biblical, by BW3
October 27, 2009 by Wayne Leman
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I agree with his conclusions, but do not agree with all of his exegesis.
His exegesis might be correct, Cheryl’s Shatz’s might be, or mine or others might be, in any case it is clear that these gender verses are not “clear”. Given that they are not clear it seems arrogant to me to claim they are and restrict women.
What you said/wrote, Don.
Just bopping in Wayne, to let you know I still read here and enjoy your links.
Thanks.
I posted a link to Ben’s post on my blog and referenced my comment on his post there. Feel free to comment on my comment:
http://theoblogoumena.blogspot.com/2009/10/why-arguments-against-women-in-ministry.html
I tried to post on your blog but lost the text due to the need to enter some id.
Don:
I have my comments setting so Google users and persons with OpenID can post comments; this prevents anonymous commenters and some trash comments I was getting, and allows people besides Google users to post as well. For more info:
http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=83064
Ben Witherington III’s post (the topic of this post)
http://blog.beliefnet.com/bibleandculture/2009/10/why-arguments-against-women-in-ministry-arent-biblical.html
continues to get some good comments. I just posted one as Comment #70.
AAHHRRGGG!
Just got back from the comments over there, Eric, and the guy that posted under you just makes me mad.
Made me want to go through the Bible and list all the sins of all the men as proof positive of something awful about men. Because that’s what he does with women, listing every evil thing done by a woman and all the traditional assumptions on creation order and who was deceived and who wasn’t (but sinned willfully thereby abdicting their God-ordained preeminence…yet somehow not losing the preeminence because… gosh I don’t know… because the commentor doesn’t want men to lose it…..) and using that as proof the Ben is preaching blasphamy (which I probably can’t spell any better than the poster under you.)
Anyway, the temptation came to start compiling that list of the evils of men. But it went away quickly. I cannot, in my heart, condemn all men because of the evil poster under Eric nor because of all the evil men have done in the Bible.
But posters, like that man who call Ben’s words blasphemy (is that with an ‘e’ or an ‘a’) sometimes they really get my goat and I want to retaliate soooo bad. Give them a taste of their own medicine.
And I don’t like the way that makes me feel. So just as I won’t go back to BB any time soon, I may not read many more comments under Ben’s post.
Sorry for my rant, Eric.
But you are the one that sent me over there to read the comments.
Guess I thought I better come back and let you know, Eric, that I’m really not mad at you.
It’s just, even as long as I’ve been aware of this debate, I can still get blindsided by the hatred some men have for women. I get blindsided and then I get a gut reaction that isn’t nice. And I want to hate back. Forturnately, the older I get, the time period of that temptation to hate back gets shorter.
Still hurts, sometimes, though. Just have to keep short accounts.
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